thoughts on mind, prayer and faith

To me, there is only one way of "valid proof" of reality of Christianity as one true religion. And that is faith and a personal relationship with Christ. That "tug at the heart" "knocking on the door" that we are supposed to feel "deep down" and make, us say "oh man this is real!!!"

This always bothered me over the years. So here is my take on it, based on what I have Observed and on what I understand about Jungian psychoanalysis!





I have a lot of thoughts on this. Some of the most current:


god is


he is a divine mystery all powerful impossible to comprehend


evil and good are concepts that man created in order to justify things like religion that are used to help us but also to control us

if we didn’t think we were evil we wouldn’t need Jesus

I think that good and evil are things that we normally harbor and at times nurture in our psyche/mind

I think that religion tells us we are wrong, and that it (religion, any religion that works on these presuppositions) is the solution to our wrongness.

That’s not to say that I don’t think religious texts, religious people and leaders are not good guides. But it’s all human, and we all think and perceive a little different.

So what can overcome all that?

Faith, but what is that


well hold on a sec because we are starting to discuss things I m not as sure about yet


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back to the divine mystery, that’s all good and everything. But where is it? Well it’s in nature and in living things and in the universe and in everything. Its also operates on levels that we associate with ideas like love, spirit, joy, humane, feeling, soul, heart, humanity, spirituality, art, creativity, probably on things we associate with darkness, positive and negative, evil, pain, emotion, and suffering.

I think those things, art, music, humanity and compassion are related to that other, that part of god and eternity and the cosmos, however its all organized

but back to faith, the "only thing that can unite humans who naturally think differently"

well I don’t really buy it

one way of looking at piano playing, is to put your MIND HEART AND SOUL INTO THE PAINO, you do this gradually, its a active AND SUBCONSCIOUS process

soon piano playing starts revealing itself to you in new and weird ways, life revolves around piano playing, piano playing revolves around life. Scale patterns chord progressions and rhythms are seen everywhere. Piano playing explains life, life explains piano playing. Your mind becomes trained.

All kinds of things operate like this

kung fu talks about similar things, kung fu life would transcend piano playing and fighting and piano playing and fighting would reveal itself to you in life, just like fighting theories would, studying animals and nature would in turn reveal more about king fu and piano playing, and about whatever else you are devoted too. But in kung fu they try and see the bigger picture, its not all about fighting, its something bigger, but you can see how fighting relates to all of it. And you can see your place in it, and can see what steps you need to take to progress your relationship to your different devotions

kung fu also talks about no mindedness, this is the similar thing to the "zone" sports players get into, their mind bodies and spirits acting in harmony, subconsciously reacting.


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What happens when we subconsciously react? Or when we get into any "mode of life?" (Like driving a car, or buying gas, or explaining to an ex why you want them back) its almost like a trained personality takes over. Many trained personalities can be working at once. Threes a trained personality for driving a car, interacting with your old lady, interacting with her when she makes you mad. They have presuppositions that subconsciously come into play. When talking with the ex, you may subconsciously take on a gentler tone, that gentler tone, in turn, is another "life mode." the life modes combine to create "complex life mode of talking with ex about why you want her back"

think about what happens, if, that is, if you ever lose control of you "residual self image" your rational, calm, gentle perceived self.

Its almost like another person comes out, an angry person who does dark mean things. At least this is something I noticed. I had trained myself to let angry side get the better of me in certain stressful situations. This is the realest example to me of one of these internal trained PERSONALITIES coming out.

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Ok so back to faith, and prayer, two of the most freaky deaky things I have thought about.

I think faith MIGHT be some sort of self serving and self fulfilling subconscious trained process.

I mean, a lot of us recognize that we have done messed up things

do we really WANT a just god who is gonna judge according to our worth after we die? Some anti Christians say this is what they want. they say, "Christianity is too easy and selfish all you have to do is accept it fully and you are saved" and so on, I think they might be missing a point too, because then you get into degrees of "personal redemption" (which is what a person would have to do if he thinks god is going to judge based on his personal committed acts of good and evil in life) degrees of personal redemption don’t really work. (Everyone falls short of kingdom of god, everyone sins)

so maybe good and evil is all part of it, and "normal" but obviously we have to strive to take care of ourselves, live with love and responsibility, and KNOW OURSELVES


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but let me become Christian for a sec

maybe faith and prayer is real, it sure sounds good to someone like me. I know that if god doesn’t like bad acts, vie done some bad acts, so I definitely "need Jesus", if I pray and feel relief in my heart that would strengthen my faith, and make me feel good!

I get into the habits and practices, having all these talks with god and stuff, and it builds upon itself over the years, faith grows, prayer grows, things in life are revealed and amplified and connections and paths are seen. Kind of like the piano playing, a lot like it, just like it if I’m right

I think prayer might just be a motivational self talk/mental organization of life problems that has a deeper impact into our mind and psyche. This is a good or a bad thing. Good if it helps, bad cuz it might be able to cause a pretty good mind-fack (lol).

And because it can become "proof of a real undeniable (because it is intangible) god connection, which in turn proves validity of religion

faith is difficult to comprehend, but it deals with intangible stuff like heart soul and feeling. Often times people will make it clear that god works out of the realm of human logic and reasoning. So they say "you shouldn’t try and reach him using human concepts like logic or reasoning. But then they try and "using logic and reasoning" justify his existence on intangible things such as faith prayer, feeling and heart.

I’m not sure yet.

I’m not saying there isn’t a divine, I just still can’t think or accept that Hindis and Jews, agnostics and Yoruba priests and all these other fellows are going to hell.

And I cant believe that god created us knowing only a select few would get to chill with him.

I’m not saying I think there is no such thing as good or bad acts. But most bad acts are justified in the mind of the one doing it, why? Because of confusion and irresponsibility.

I still think we need to get to know ourselves a bit more, realize our place, realize our relationship to the other, to our mom and dad, our ancestors, and all our village brothers and global brothers and sisters, and see the positives and negatives.

There are more similarities than differences in WORLD religion. Even in the (so called) "far out" Santeria stuff. I mean, some of that sounds a lot like yin and yang!


So does "love your enemy"

humanity has a dale nature. Christianity can use Jesus to help overcome dual nature and strive for good.

I probably left out some stuff. These are some of my thoughts at the time.

By the way

lets say ALL religion is totally man made. Has god influenced it, I’m sure he/she it has. I don’t think he just operates on a human or natural plane though. He operates on a lot of stuff and a lot of planes probably

I think a key for all of us is to try and live actively and consciously and try and see the paths that life is showing us.

I really don’t have much of a problem with (the idea of) Jesus; I think he had a beautiful world view.

Unless he’s the personification of the Old Testament Yahweh which is again very freaky deaky.

the heart? and more

so does god only speak to our heart?

is this how we know the bible is right?

the holy spirit has to move someone to beleive right?

and that happens in the heart. (reed my feeling good = feeling ones divine inner nature? ... to learn how to catch the holy spirit while thiking about whatever you want!)

so all this debating is pointless

because if the bible is right

than all our constructs are creations of corruption and of evil (going against what god wants)



there is another slightly unrelated point to be made wen looking at the development of human language and society, and how perfectly the things that god wants coincide with the ideas of what our society wants. amazing how other societies with differnt non abrahamic gods view creation through a lense that makes sese according to their society.

what does god want us to do with these facts when our mind processes them?

society is very complicated


life itself is bizarre

why do we see, hear, look

how is their a thought?

how do we know the world is not just our experience

we might be the only ones. what i mean is. this dimension may be one in billions.

why is it like this. and how do you know you are talking to anyone else?

what is an anyone else, but a label, you some how understand that you project onto a pattern you somehow recognize in your experience of "life"

it might be just me. no one else!

how do we know that you or I exist?

why are we even able to think about ideas like existence?


it seems we are highly complex animals with a oncious.

we manipulate mental energies

stuff makes us feel good and bad.

not sure why


why humor? becuase people live longer when they laugh? andfind things funny?

cant we eliminate the ability to make someone laugh and the ability to detect humor and feel good about it?

wouldnt we break even?


what procreation benefit is there from a sense of humor?

it seems animlals joke around sometimes too.

i wonder why



I had all this figured out a while ago.


ok

so one thing i am fairly certain i can state that holds true for most of our mental energies.

we do not like to worry and it is not good for our brains

isnt the christian world view creating too much worry?

and if chrisitans are right. where does a sense of humor come from? there are a lot of things in the chrisitan world view that jut arent funny. tey are actually devoid of humor! check out http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/hellreal.htm for starters!

how to witness to someone about the lord

christian brainwashing in action

witness scenario:

(keep in mind, the person being witessed to PROBABLY DOES WANT TO KNOW ")WHATEVER GOD IS"

witness: do you know that right now the hol spirit of jesus is trying to get you to turn towards him? all he wants to do is love you



this sets up in the mind of the person being witnessed to. "god doesnt know me" (perhapse the person has heard before that unbeleif leads to hell, perhapse not, either way they wonder I dont think I know god right now, do I)


next idea that the person being witnessed to is thinking "he is pulling at my heart right now, at this instant, and all he wants to do is love me, hey that soiunds like honest love! and it seems realistic, i mean god must always be with us right?"


a feeling of calm, joy or content comes into person


"woah" that must have been the holy psirit! wow, maybe its real!


this will forever send them questioning form that point in. "when that guy witnessed to me, did I expereince jesus's love?"


the more they learn about the bible, the more they learn about the consequences of not following the lords call.

and this can hook them right into the whole christian organism.

more thoughts

my next thought

christianity requires us to think about human, moral and language dynamics. and these are what screwed us up in the first place.

many eastern and african philosophies talk about freeing the mind from the constrains of language. and the society that language helps keep working. even christians agree that society is bad. at least the ones that see that it could be seen as bad do.

shoot if we were really a christian nation(and we are not according to the founders) , we are doing a shit terrible job at it.

we could solve world hunger! us could, the united states. we have the technology (infinite laughs)

we could become a huge church, a huge powerhouse for the lord. i mean if god is real and all that other stuff. our priorities are obviously all in the wrong place!

bush wants us to go to church so we can continue to make them and other organizations we work and contribute to rich. what he should be doing is saying there is nothing more important than god and the church tat relays his correct message, and he should try to turn this country into a giant missionary and impose religious ideas in schools. the stakes are very high if you ask me

we cant be training people to think, doubt, be skeptical, examine reality and question in lawschool, and then condone all those things in church

it causes cognitave dissonance (or as chrisitans call it "double heartedness)

we arent thinking of god or praising him when we are arguing law, when we are locking up prisoners, when we are researching drugs.

our thougts and beleifs are what matter to god, so anything that interferes with this is bad.

what's more important:

money grubbing lawyers, or what god wants?

thats what we should be thinking about if we are a christian nation.

getting rid of hunger, feeding the gosepl, and getting rid of guns and millitary.

global

commune-ism

i dont see why christians are so against comune-ism

back to my first few lines. christianity requires us to think too much. its a religion where god requires humans to think about reality in the way he wants them to think about reality.

am i wrong?

okay third point.

does brainwashing work or not.

there are child soldiers in africa, there are spies that are so good that they could say i am a woman, my name is ali baba andpass a lie detector test.

if it works, does it work for god and jesus?

i go to a church

i see chanting in a trancelike state

i see music making people happy

i see human beings together, being happy together.

as sinful as we are even a bunch of vodou followers in a room chanting and singing together are gonna feel good.

people being to gether feels good.

dont forget that we are raised in america to not talk to strangers, to be individual, every man for himself and follow the american dream, personal freedom, yay yay yay.

we worry about keeping it real and gossip (what a glorious term, the powers that be must love the idea of keeping it real, a term that twists our perception of reality. whoop de do, the blacks are now obsessed with not changing and being proud of it, and every oher race is imitating them!)

this is what we worry about in society, in church we forget about "dont talk to strangers" and we are together agian

together, feeling community that western society robs us of, together chanting go team go, lets beat those bulls, nice goal billy! go team go, lets beat those muslims, go team go, my mother and father hate me, they have forgotten about me, i am a child of the revolution, my name is baby killer

comprehending the mystery vs knowing

How can we as humans say that everything is a conception of the mind? (as passed down from universal ancestral archetypes, as influenced by societies such as: race, tribe, nation, city, family, sex... and finally recognized by the individual, who, while different and nique, was still brought up in his specific family, race, tribe and sex, and while his perception of his place in that set of societies is unique, his brain disposition can be matched somewhere out there in the stretch of human brains...)

dang, the psycho analysis makes so much sense.

but still.

the great mystery

can we ever know.

is the reason people of faith are so strongly attached to their gods precisely because their texts proclaim to them that by following them to a letter, they will infact "know" the mystery of the gods.

this is why christianity is so scary.

they say

we "know" exactly what god wants, and we know exactly what he will do if we disobey.

it takes the mystery out.

but in contemplating the mystery, what if that is precisely what god wanted: for us to know exactly what "he" wanted: in the pages of the bible

it sounds nice at first, it puts god directly in our face. its too bad that the ultimate biblical world view is so terrifying and depressing! for an ifninite being, yaweh sure has his time frame and peculiarities!

a heated tirade against god

someone said this: "Here is the simplist way to put it, non belief is always the default postion as belief requires either proof or a concept. "

someone else than said this:
"I'm afraid this still isn't very clear to me. First, when you say non-belief is default, are you making a statement about how people ought to form their beliefs, or about how they actually do? Second, it seems to me that if you think that non-belief is a default position because belief in something requires a concept of that thing, then you are assuming there are no a priori concepts. But this isn't exactly what you are saying here, since you think a "proof" is also a sufficient reason to believe in something. Its not clear to me, though, what you think a proof is. "


so i said this:
you only think their are a priori concepts because you accepted that belief. its particularly that backwards ass mindfuck thats so crazy. if the a priori concepts are really there, wouldnt everyone know it. why is god making it so hard. why doesnt he just prove it. i dont think its funny at all, infact i think its desolate and bleak and totally humorless and vile (fully realizing the chrisitan paradigm and all its implications are very very very sobering) that there are beings --

(or whatever the fuck god thinks we are, obviously not humans, because as humans, we wouldnt do the shit that god does, or lets the devil do, however the fuck all this bullshit is happeing, its either god doing it, or god letting the devil do it, either way its fucked up, and us with our flawed human nature, wouldnt like it if we knew he was the one causing it, so we created backwards ass chrisitanity that says "we/or our fallen nature" are the root of all evil and we justify sending ourselves to hell and all this other bullshit! am i saying we are good? no, but we shouldnt just accept that its all like this because god and the devil are fucking with our heads and feelings. )

--- that there are beings with consciousness that are gonna be in a world of shit forever. i think its absolutely sickening that this entire world is a delusion of the devil designed to get us to join him in hell forever. do you have any idea how infinitely fucked up this verison of the absolute reality is???

love is a sickness when its with a woman(a good sickness, but we definitely arent thinking clearly, watch the springer show!), what about when its with a being that is infinite and also all in our heads and "hearts" ... well, you can start some wars, kill some baby indians, get you some slaves, and make an empire with bullshit like that! you can get a bunch of kids singing praises all week but not learning anything. do christians want a return to dark ages? obviously knowledge is worthless, because knowledge is useless once we get into the kingdom right? i mean once we are in the kingdom clearly god will give us ample time to learn whatever he thinks is best for us to learn. so why are churches telling kids to do well in school when the bible chastizes things necessary for critical thought such as "relying on your own understanding", the "imagination of the heart" and "doubt" yes there are christians right now praying to "get rid of doubt" while the next day working out physics problems or solving court cases.

i mean if this being exists and this is absolute reality, enough with all the bullshit. god doesnt exist to fix our jobs and shit, does he exist to do whatever the fuck he wants? christians dig on that, they are like "he can do whatever he wants and he chose to save us man, how awesome is that!" does he do a bunch of shit that is not earth related like govern other dimensions where there are only two spacial dimensions and no sense of time and all its inhabitants see of other people is dots and horizontal lines?(like in flatland) , is he also controlling invisible beings that orbit asteroids in other galaxies? or is all his attention devoted to us? if it is all devoted to us, then why do we accept that its ok for him to fuck with us afterwe die. people are like "you cant argue with god" or "when you get to hell then you will know" like this is all peaches and cream and honkey dorey, when in fact its some ole bullshit! "have you read my book" says god, "theres gonna be a test" yes, i read enough, i skipped most of the crazy slave beating and army/chariot smiting stuff and went strait to the beautiful stories of jesus, the hebrews, isaac, david and solomon, valleys of dead, and job and stuff by paul, i will tell you when i have read it all in hebrew! but in the meantime, have you compared the bible to the "real world" (and yes i know that the so called real world is an illusion designed to ensnare me and get me away from jesus. but i am just baffled as to how jesus really operates!)

if he exists than people need to be clear. what is he doing?

is he controlling me right now? is he letting me write allthis?

did he give me my mind?

what about indeciciveness. people have this you know

so if today i accept jesus and tomorrow i die, im ok

but if today i say, fuck that bullshit and tomorrow i die im screwed!

it just doesnt add up. it doesnt make me feel good, it scares me shitless! i guess tharts the first step to wisdom, fear of god!